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Post by dagreek on Jul 16, 2006 10:12:06 GMT -5
Gia Sas Manges,
I have this question thats been on my mind lately, I wouldent know where else to ask...
I have this midi controlelr keyboard... a RolandED PC-180A.. its nothing to write home about, not very fully featured, no sounds on board, and generally serves the purpose of auditioning Sounds. It just sends midi signals, has a ptich bend/modulation gizmo.
As I am getting a morio on my Tzoura soon, and have looked into makams a bit, I want to be able to play/compose/program Quarter tone note values using this keyboard or the piano roll in Cubase SX3.
But I havent got the foggiest how I should go about this.
For sounds I have a large array of VSTi instruments, sampled and sound generating.
The way I now work, I just set up a midi track in Cubase, route it to an instrument and do all note input in the piano roll, where I also edit volume, timing, and, very occasionally, pitch bend.
How can I get Quarter tones (or even cents) out of this setup? Is it possible? Prefferably without buying any new external hardware modules :-)
While I am confortable programming in midi, I never use CC messages or get inot those details, I just use the Cubase piano roll interface. But I will learn if neccesary.
If any body can help me out here, that would be awsome... Gia Hara, Alex
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Post by jrokas on Jul 16, 2006 13:13:14 GMT -5
Hopefully this will help.
There are a few ways in which you can achieve this. Under both Cubase and Nuendo you have the opportunity to get quarter tones. You can play them live or you can alter them later. You can use the microtuner under the midi plugins. If you wanted to use the plugin live through a non-midi controled device like a bouzouki, tzoura, etc. You can use a software plugin called strobosoft.
The nice thing about the new midi features in all DAWs, that was only available through Digital Performer is that you get both the Midi track and Audio track created when you run an instance of a virtual instrument. Allowing you to change the midi data and using all plugins that were only available to audio tracks before, on the audio track of the plugin.
Hopefully this helps. I will be posting a Taximi soon, once I get my website setup.
Stin yeia sas jrokas
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Post by dagreek on Jul 16, 2006 15:09:35 GMT -5
Giasou jrokas, Wow, thanks, I was not aware of this midi Microtuner plugin, but I will take alook at it real soon and see what I make of it. I am very curious how it is implemented. If you wanted to use the plugin live through a non-midi controled device like a bouzouki, tzoura, etc. You can use a software plugin called strobosoft. I see that strobosoft is a high quality tuner, so if I understand correclty you are saying that it is equipped to send out midi messages based on its analysis of your playing. I would never have though of that. I will look into this, do you need the standard or deluxe version to do this? You think this can serve as a replacement for a 'midi bouzouki'? Sorry to pound you with questions, but do you use this setup yourself, and if so, how is the latency? Dependant on your sound card drivers or does this setup add a delay? Of course you would end up with both the Bouzouki sound and the midi instrument playing, but still its a cool thing to try and do, plus it might be a good way for inputing notes into the piano roll. Thanks for your reply, Alex
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Post by Panagiotis on Jul 17, 2006 13:29:04 GMT -5
Giasou jrokas, Wow, thanks, I was not aware of this midi Microtuner plugin, but I will take alook at it real soon and see what I make of it. I am very curious how it is implemented. One thing to be aware of is that Cubase's microtuner does not work with ALL plugins or midi keyboards. In fact, it only works with a few. Roland used to make an Arabic Scale converter called the ASC-10. I don't know if they still make it. I own one and it was very useful in the pre-quarter tone days of Roland midi keyboards and samplers. Pete
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Post by Panagiotis on May 10, 2007 11:24:46 GMT -5
I just bought a Yamaha VL70-m virtual acoustic modeling synth. The thing is amazing but it doesn't have 1/4 tones. I actually started using my ASC-10 again after perhaps 13 years of non-use! All my presets were still in there! I was sure I'd have to re-program them. Anyway, that box works like a charm. There are a few other companies that make a similar product. I can find out who they are if anyone is interested. There's an arabic guy who has a small synth company that makes one.
-Pete
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Post by Panagiotis on Mar 19, 2008 15:17:20 GMT -5
Look up the Kelfar Arabic Scale converter. It works using sysex rather than pitch bend.
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