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Post by andykala on Jan 5, 2009 2:02:46 GMT -5
Hey guys, nice forum, i just found it and joined, hope its still relatively active ) Does anyone know or use an arabic scale converter with Roland D50/550? I know Roland used to make the ASC-10, but is there anything on the market at the moment? Thanks heaps for your help! Andrew.
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Post by Panagiotis on Feb 9, 2009 1:40:44 GMT -5
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Post by jrokas on Apr 1, 2009 16:45:14 GMT -5
I haven't posted for a very long time, but I ran across this post today. I know that the ASC-10 does not work with with the roland D-50, At least when I tried it several years ago it didn't, becuase of the D-50 no being able to understand General Midi. I am not sure about the keflar, but if it based on the same technology, that might not work either. You could always use the pitch bend to get to it too like Sarantis Saleas, he only used Rolands, D-50's and SH2000.
Hope this helps.
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Post by Panagiotis on May 8, 2009 14:13:13 GMT -5
Yes you can do it with PB, however, it's near impossible to do in fast runs. The ASC-10 works with the D-50 but there is a button on it you have to press...I don't remember now. Kelfar makes a much better scale converter.
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Post by nikolaos on Jun 7, 2009 10:52:57 GMT -5
Panagioti,
Kelfar's scale converter is hardly above average with Roland D-50's... And to specify, Roland D-50's are horrible with midi delay too... I have had no good solid experience with the D-50 and scale boxes. The Kelfar scale converter doesn't work well with Dual-Stacked patches and I cannot get the universal polyphony mode to even work. The worst part is that the midi signals change my patch sometimes to some other patch randomly. Aside from scales, some sounds are annoying because in order to get 1/4 tones correctly, they are set in 1/2 increments Key Track. Im about ready to give up on the D-50 and just sample the 3-4 best sounds I have on it and put it away for good.
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Post by Panagiotis on Jun 8, 2009 18:32:01 GMT -5
Yes, I gave up my D-550 years ago. The effects chip burnt out anyway and the PCM's are distorting now! I think I gave it to Goodwill! I'm glad you told me about the Kelfar unit...Iwas thinking of getting one...but I think I'll just keep dialing in the moria internally on my Triton Extreme.
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Post by nikolaos on Jun 8, 2009 23:56:35 GMT -5
Ok, Here's the Scoop of my analysis now that I've done more research. The Roland ASC-10 and the Kelfar moria boxes run the same concept with the Pitch Bend data. Detune the pitch bender to 1/4 tone through midi. This concept is a very weak approach because of the delay which occurs on the notes. And it's easier with monophonic notes. If I can figure out how to make it work flawless with the D50, I will let you know. Now with the Kelfar box, The only difference is that the Kelfar moria box works well with "new" keyboards through sysex message with the global tuning settings. For this reason I would buy the AK-2. Oh and the AK-2 works with select Computer VST Plug-ins. The days of the old boards are coming to an end. But contradicting time, we constantly try to recreate the sounds through new boards. I believe the key is sampling at this point. Sample some of the key sounds from each keyboard onto the triton "dry" and then add triton effects. If you collect about 20-30 of these classic sounds, you are all set for life basically. I have about 5 keyboards to do that kind of work to. =/ As far as myself, a personal preference. I look for richness in sound which I cannot find in Triton PCMs. You can fake richness with effects but you lose that clean style of playing with too much effects. I have literally 4 sounds I use for richness, and they still fall short on terms on terms of expression. Which explains why I use the yamaha BC3 even though I look like a fool on stage hahaha. Check out the singer Sotis Volanis pull a solo on the keyboard and listen to how rich his sound is! dl.getdropbox.com/u/887794/13%20-%20Tsifteteli%20B%20Meros.mp3
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Post by Panagiotis on Jun 9, 2009 17:50:01 GMT -5
I thought that it worked with sysex on newer instruments. This would work well with my Triton. For taximia, I mostly use the MOSS sounds on my Triton. They feel and sound great. I think that the Volanis sound on that mp3 is a combi using the MOSS board and a pcm from the Triton. At least that's what it sounds like to me.
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